the clear key why Jesus cannot be the 'only' son of god

the current situation:
the church people believe that we cannot understand god because we are not god.
that teaching such as giving your right cheek when your left cheek is slapped cannot be understood because of that.

the real essence of understanding:
slapping both cheek 'cannot' be coming from god, because it doesn't even work for human.
even a slightly better human, can be better than Jesus concerning slapping both cheek.
it could be, that even a Senior High School student can behave much better than letting both his cheeks slapped.
Because of such terrible solution given by Jesus, and it couldn't even compete with a 'smart' person, which can come up with solution that concerns much less harm to human being, and so that means that, Jesus is even less, than a smart person.
and a statement that says Jesus in the 'only' son of god, would actually lead to the condition that the universe is very much stuffed up, if that is the 'only' son of god.
human can be a much better god than Jesus, and there are many many more human smarter than Jesus.

A different view:
Old Testament: an eye for an eye, which was erased by -->
New Testament (Jesus): slapping both cheek...
both Old and New Testament, don't even work....
if you combine both Old and New Testament, and emphasize to New Testament, it will be like this:
if someone stab your right eye, you should let him stab your left eye too... (which means you are then 100% blind, instead of 50% blind)

i don't think it even works, let alone to say that this solution comes from the 'only' son of god... i am really sorry, but this cannot work at all... i am afraid,
it could be that Jesus was someone who have very bad attention skills, who can't even understand his own statement, or he had mental health problems that his mind couldn't understand his own statement.... either case, he has very bad problem solving skills....

the essence of cooking

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you may think that vegie and meat are 2 different things, however, they are actually the same.

meat: cook middle hot for 15 minutes, then low hot
vegie: cook middle hot but only until it boils, then immediately turn off fire

meat: low hot for 15-30 minutes (or pressure cooker for 30 minutes)
vegie: turn off fire, close the lid, let it cook inside with no fire for 10-15 minutes.

they are actually the same principle.

the difference is, meat is tougher and require more time to cook, either in middle hot
or low hot, the meat simply need more time compared to vegie.

as for salt and sugar, i think, it is better if you put salt, don't put sugar and if you put sugar,
don't put salt. however, you will do this experiment. i am not going to be concerned with
salt and sugar anymore. this is my decision: it's either salt or sugar, but not both. and the
truth is, i like the taste better when not mixing these two.

i have attached the photo of 2 meals i cooked for dinner today, i hope you can enjoy them. :)




On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Widianto Arbita <poioun@gmail.com> wrote:
These are 3 things I need to make clear, without mistake:
Cooking the vegie
Cooking the vegie is very easy,
1. you put the vegie in the boiling water,
2. wait until the water boils again, after the vegie is put inside the water.
3. once the water boils again, close the lid, and at the same time, turn off the fire.
4. wait until 10-15 minutes, you open the lid, and you will see your vegie is cooked.
5. if after 10-15 minutes the vegie is still not cooked, turn on the fire again, and repeat 2-4.
6. depending on the material of the vegie, some vegie need longer cooking, and some
shorter cooking. for example, carrot takes longer to cook, potato a little quicker to cook
than carrot, and long bean takes quicker to cook than potato and carrot.
7. you must experiment enough.

Cooking the meat:
1. stir fry garlic and onion
2. put meat inside with garlic and onion
3. stir fry until the surface of the meat is brownish.
4. put 'enough water'(see below), and boil the meat at 'middle hot' for 15 minutes
5. this will make the juice of the meat go out of the meat.
6. if the water runs out, (and oil of meat too much) then you add more water, but remember not too much.
7. after 15 minutes of boiling 'enough water' with the meat,
8. either slow cook/low hot for 15-30 minutes
9. or pressure cook(for tougher meat) for 30 minutes with low hot
10. after that you can add ingredient and vegie if you want
11. you must experiment enough.

Cooking other dishes:
I want to make it clear that, if you can cook correctly as shown above and below,
you will be able to cook the meat, and vegie, correctly.
And once you cook them correctly, it is very easy to add already made spices
from the supermarket to add the flavour.
In Indonesia, I usually use the Indonesian brand spice, 'bamboe' brand.
'Bamboe' brand there are a lot of variety of flavor, but you need to add more
sugar or salt sometimes to make it taste better.

I just hope that this actually could make sense, cos, it does make sense to me,
very much so.




On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Widianto Arbita <poioun@gmail.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Widianto Arbita included below]

You have water on top, and fire at the bottom. The water goes down and fire goes up.
So they meet in the middle, separated by the cooking pan.

And there will be the meat, vegies, salt/sugar, (red) onion and garlic.

Garlic and onion:
Almost in all cooking there is garlic and onion.
For garlic, you chop into little pieces, the same with onion.
In the frying pan, you put oil, let the oil is hot enough, then
put in the garlic.
Once the garlic is yellow colored, put in the onion, fry them
until the (red) onion is brownish.
Then you put the meat in the frying pan, and stir fry it until
the surface of the meat is cooked.

The fire:
Without pressure cooker:
Fire can be in three conditions: very hot, middle hot, low hot.
Very hot(boiling very violently): the meat will cook on the outside and will harden, but uncooked in the inside (no good).
Low hot(tiny boils, one by one come up the surface): the meat will fall apart, too tender and deformed (no good).
Middle hot(enough boil): the meat will cooked balanced (good).
After middle hot: cook at low hot, and it will tenderize the meat, low hot for meat is fine as long as the meat
had already been cooked (by middle hot).

With pressure cooker (what I usually do):
Before putting in pressure cooker, cook the meat at middle hot.
Let it cook for 15 minutes, until the juices are out in the water.
About how much water, look at 'water' section below.
After cooked at middle hot, instead of cook at low hot, we put
the meat in the pressure cooker, with as low fire as possible,
to save gas, or electricity. Low hot at pressure cooker, for about
30 minutes, and after that turn off the fire, let the pressure settles
down in 10-15 minutes, and then you can open the pressure cooker.

Cooking vegetables(without pressure cooker):
You can put in the vegie in the pan with the meat already cooked at
low hot or after cooked in the pressure cooker.
I am not exactly sure what low hot does to vegetables, but, low hot
can be very good for cooking mung bean (kacang hijau), you put
the fire very low (little bubbles), and the mung bean will fall apart,
like rice porridge.
In other times, you can just boil the vegetable in water, and as soon
as the water boils rapidly, close the lid of the vegetable and then
turn off the fire. Wait till 15 minutes, and then open the closed lid,
and you will see that the vegie will be cooked beautifully (after 15
mins). This process 'could' be the same as low hot, but I am not sure about it.
If this doesn't cook the vegie, you can boil the vegie and close the lid, and
then turn off the fire, again. Or you can instead low hot the vegie, for
another 15 minutes.

The water
Too much animal oil and too little water, will not cook the meat because not
hot enough.
Too much water compared to animal oil, the soup will be tasteless.
There should be enough water, with regard to the amount of animal oil, and
so it will also release the juice out of the meat. Of course, we are talking about
having this water boiling at 'middle hot', after that, we put it in 'low hot' or pressure
cooker in 'low hot'.

The salt and sugar
I am still not very sure at the moment about salt and sugar, but this is what I do:
When the meat is cooked, and before we put in vegie, we put in ingredients including
sugar, if needed.
My experience concerning salt and sugar had not been good, and therefore, I only
put salt at the end, that is when I eat, I put the salt just before I eat the cooking.
So far, it never failed me.

The meat
The choice of meat, is very important. In my experience, as long as the meat doesn't
fall apart, all will be good.
By practicing again and again, you will know, which meat will fall apart when you cook it,
by looking at the surface of the meat, you will know whether it will fall apart or not.
If the meat is bad, the meat will become sticky, and fall apart and last time I cooked like this I had a
revolting sensation and didn't cook for probably more than 6 months because of the trauma.

Cooking other dishes:
If you can manage to cook meat with no smell and all is good, you can easily add 'made up'
spices, and my favorite would be the 'bamboe' brand, although you have to experiment with
them and add a bit of salt, if needed.

The juice of the meat:
By cooking the meat at middle hot for 15 minutes with enough water, it will let the juices out of
the meat. This juice will be enough even if you add more water and so you will have enough
'gravy' for the stew.

I have attached the photo of the cooking. I ate this, and I liked it. :)

beauty in the inside and beauty in the outside

there are 2 types of people: 1 is beauty on the outside and the other is beauty in the inside.
Buddha is beauty in the inside. Have you seen a monk with the latest fashion and hairstyle?
As your experience have seen, I am not a person who take too much attention to the outside,
I am a person of the inside.
In some countries, outside is tidy and clean
In other countries, outside is messy
When outside is tidy and clean, we think about the outside but have a very messy inside
When the outside is messy, the inside is clean and tidy...

universal enlightenment and christianity

the most difficult period was after my first few enlightenment. i knew that, christianity was never enough for satisfying my enlightenments, or even to understand my enlightenments, the environment was not good enough to accept it, because of what the christians believe was different from the qualities of universal enlightenment. the buddhists always knew, that if one person managed to achieve enlightenment, he will need to straight away become a monk, or he/she will die very soon after that. the long periods of my enlightenment was very difficult one. i seek and found Confucius, Confucius was good, but not enough to contain my achievement of enlightenment. The only last one, was Buddhism, it was my last resort, i believe there was no more after that. If, Buddhism was not enough, then I would have been not knowing where i am going after that. It was by Buddhism I achieve enlightenment. The world itself is chaos. No matter how strong my convictions are, if the other people cannot understand, believe or cannot be trusted and become your environment of trust, then there can be no more place for you to exist. I have seek and I have found very little, to rely on. You must only rely on yourself, most of the time. And yet, you must learn to depend on other people, which is the toughest one, especially because most of them cannot be trusted too much. Without Buddhism, I would not exist. I needed the environment, the 'Sangha'. _/|\_

p.s. Buddhism may have the most old fashion names and methods, but you'll be surprised, that Buddhists, the really well networked Buddhists, are the ones that know the 'truth'. you can seek and seek, but if you don't come to Buddhists with their plain approach of things, such as the 'fat' Buddha or the not so popular and old atmosphere of Buddhism, you are quite enormously far away from the 'truth'.
the Buddhists have the 'fat' Buddha, as the Christians always make jokes of it, but you must realise, why is the 'fat' Buddha, fat? Sakyamuni Buddha is not fat, and he is portrait as someone who has good balance of appearance. Although we have the 'fat' Buddha, we don't have any suffering or sexy Buddhas anywhere in Buddhist temples anywhere. hehehe, it is amazing what you say, it is amazing how much ignorance you have put in your mind.

money and happiness

"how do we balance money and happiness? we can lengthen our lives too with money. how much pain or money until we can let go our lives?"
"money is gathered by pain and happiness is happiness. many of us choose to suffer in this world so that we can get a lot of money, however we lose what we have most dearly, our family and maybe friends, which is happiness. when we are dying, we are in great pain, and we will spend more pain we gathered when we were young, only to have more pain, as you've also lost your happiness a long time ago when you are young. you are in great pain, and then you spend more pain for more life of pain, and at the end you still have to let go your life, which is also pain. seek happiness and don't let it go while you are still alive."

sexy god

Jesus died on the cross, his hands were nailed to the cross, his feet were as well. His head is also crowned with thorns and blood was dripping. Jesus eventually died then, however, in this age, many females are aroused sexually because he was only wearing underwear, on the cross.

No biggie, some people are only aroused when someone is dying a terrible death.

Must be the most original idea for centuries.

And only people who like that kind of image will continue going to the church, you would think, what kind of people are they.

In my opinion, Christians are very visual people. Good from the outside, but nothing on the inside. The longer you stay with the Christians, you will be lost, because these are people who don't have principles. And the symbol is right there in front of you, a very wrong symbol.

to make society of puppet -- slave sex god

to make a slave sex god, you need a god who wouldn't hurt other people, who would give his right cheek if he was slapped on the left cheek. who would take out his eye instead of sinning, who would cut off his arm if he even only wanted to steal.

so then you have a perfect god.

the next step is, you torture him to show that he is willing to be tortured and eventually even to kill him to show his determination.

then, make sure that he is good looking and sexy.

and then, many women would be attracted, they would even say, 'he's the best!'.

and then, you do not teach them wisdom and understanding, but only hope, faith and love.

and so they are blind.

and then, they would make good puppets!

the end.... but only if anti-christ (the good guys) hasn't showed up.

and the women would look for these qualities of man, it's a pretty stuffed up system. you would need a lot of luck for that, but I don't believe in luck.

it all has come to a full circle.

Life in Australia and in Indonesia

The CORE reason for so much difficulties in Australia is because, there are no servants or drivers or other cheap labour. In Australia, you work 8am-5pm, everyday. And after work, you have to shop, cook, wash dishes, laundry, clean and tidy up. There are broken appliances too and if you can't fix them, you can either get a repairer/handyman which are quite expensive, or probably to buy a new one instead. Don't forget to take care of the garden if you have one. And once you have child/children, your life is practically over. You must be a God to do all these around the clock, which practically no spare time left, plus if you can squeeze your children as well, everyday and you have to do everything and even drive around yourselves. Your life is already over, or, much much worse than over.

Another bad effects include not being able to take care of yourselves well. These will result in badly taken care of health, especially the mind, because having to take care of so many things at once. You can hardly have peacefulness in the country. And when you are old, you are likely you will live in a home, because your children will be busy working doing the things above, and then you will be complaining and crying that your children won't visit you. If it is not your children, who will visit you?

About the clean air. Is there really clean air in Australia? There are rarely any trees. Many times there are lack of oxygen. What you need, is not clean air, but oxygen. I am not quite sure what is the effect of lack of oxygen, probably becoming weak, plus all the mental burden you already have. Would the brain cells die cos of lack of oxygen too?

I have already mentioned about the 50% tax even if you have high income, the very straight rude independent people who tends not to even share knowledge/information, the road and electric lines which are very long expensive to maintain and hilly which my mother can't even walk on, the products which are low quality but high price because of the high labour costs, the uncensored movies at the cinema, the food is terrible (you eat 3 times a day from the day you are born and you won't stop till the day you die, and yet they still can't even make decent food, go figure, please do!) (mcdonald's, kfc, burger king: please get a life and at least do something with your food), a very lousy place for children(the housing is done such bad quality, the coarse people and uncensored movies and cinema, uneven walkways), a very lousy place for old people (mostly because of high labor costs), a sad fact: wives are meant to be 'servants' of the house, you can't call your friends too often because they are as busy as you, work, take care of the house, maybe children, they've already had a terrible and tiring day, so you just have to spend your time and interact with TV or computer instead, and add some uncensored indecencies as well.

You think they are 'developed' countries. To be completely honest with you, I think they are overworked, lost souls, who suffer every moment of their lives, who couldn't GET A LIFE.

At the moment I am running my own business, and learning Mandarin, Electronics, Piano Playing and Buddhism. Performed very well, and I even have time to take good care of myself, I even have professors that cure me from diseases I got from Australia, which Australian 'GPs' couldn't cure and wouldn't even refer to specialists. To be completely honest with you, I feel much much better to be in Indonesia. If I am not happy, I can simply replace one of my 'learnings' with something else and I'll be on my way. It is not possible to do all these in Australia, because they are very expensive, and you wouldn't have mental power, strength or time left.

FYI, these 4 learnings are all in Indonesia and are very high quality and low price too.
Mandarin: teacher from Guangdong (born in China), the book from Beijing, up to date mandarin software.
Electronics: Great from basic to advanced. From as basic as transistors until building a complete microcontroller system from scratch, which only taught the software programming at Aus university, finally I found my electronic answer in Indonesia, simple and powerful, under a Chinese Indonesian for over 40 years of experience in the field. And I am best buddies too with him, I keep texting him with my Blackberry, and he shares a lot of information, not like Australians who are offended for giving information. In exam I got 100% for theory and 100% for lab.
Piano: Very good teacher in my own Yamaha Music School, I've only started book 1 and now finished, she even recommended me to skip to book 5, because of my skill for guitar classic which I learned in Senior High School, which I've never touched in Australia.
Buddhism: You will only find peacefulness in Buddhism, there are no other religion/teaching that can teach you the same. It was started 2500 years ago, but probably more effective than modern psychology. To get you started, look into 'The Middle Path', from there you know that things are quite wrong for many parts of the world!

Slap them both ways: a simple test for Christians

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John 3:36 (New International Version)

³⁶Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life...

Matthew 5:39-41 (New International Version)

³⁹But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. ⁴⁰And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. ⁴¹If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

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If any of you really say that you believe in Jesus, I'd like to slap you silly and you should not fight back. Or you will go to hell for eternity... because you do not believe in Jesus.

This is not that we cannot understand God, it is because it is impossible to be done.
There is no Godly understanding that we cannot understand here, simply no one would do this.
Because none of the teachings were applicable, at the end no one really learnt anything from Christianity,
because we cannot learn or apply them. At least, they are already obsolete. And can you see how thick the bible is?

Another prove is that, because it is impossible to apply, even an over 70 year old person can not ever learn this, or
willing to do this. The same with unconditional love, no one can apply it, because it's too bloody hard. In Aikido,
this is more like a brute force than actually a technique. A brute force require a great strength but because lack of
technique, it cannot result in good outcome, and also a lot of power is wasted. Whereas a good technique would
require very little strength/power but there are a lot of good outcome.

If you don't mind being slapped both ways to prove you are a Christian, please do let me know and I will go there and slap you,
and you must not fight back. And if you do this in a greater scale, like to do this to 100 people, I don't think there will be any of our way of life
anymore. People will be suffering everywhere. So are you a Christian and do you believe Jesus? Slap coming right away.

This is not Justice, and this is not Love. This is Stupidity, Injustice or Insanity. There is no Justice or Love being performed in the slapping process here.
Letting your face to be slapped both ways by someone is not Love.

One correct way to do this would be to prevent the slapping from happening at all. By doing good, not doing bad. By giving, by being kind, etc.
If someone slap another person, it would already be too late. And forgiving is not going to help you either. Actually, If I were slapped (i don't remember
ever being slapped though), I would definitely not turn the other cheek, or by not turning the other cheek I'll be sentenced in hell for eternity. Wow, what can
be more dreadful than that.

I think I proved it once again that Christianity cannot be applied.

*After letting you be slapped 100 times and you forgive him/her for 100 times consequently, will not save you from being slapped, forgiving will not save you from the slapping 100 times. Forgiving is not the answer either.

Story of Sarag who never take shower

This is story from my Grandma, who had passed away.

In a distance place a long time ago, there exist a man named Sarag, who never take shower, very smellly! He was so dirty that his skin looked thick.

And then there was a princess being captive in the Castle, and no one in the kingdom could save the princess from the evil Dragon, even after everyone was offered the reward to marry the princess if the princess is saved from the evil Dragon.

And so Sarag went to save the princess. Going through the river with crocodiles, alligator, snakes, wolves. But none of them couldn't stand the smell of Sarag and how disgusting he looks.

Sarag went on going and confront the Dragon, the Dragon blow a hot fire but Sarag's skin already hardened and can withstand the heat. After a while Dragon couldn't take it anymore because of the smell and went. And so Sarag saved the princess.

Sarag then took a shower for about a month, brush the teeth, cut the nails and so on. And so he was very clean and sparkling and handsome, and then marry the princess.

And they lived happily ever after.

Matthew 1 Jesus was the son of David and Abraham? Really?

Matthew 1 (New International Version)

Matthew 1

The Genealogy of Jesus

¹A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
²Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
...
...
...
¹⁵Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
¹⁶and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.



*****Here is the problem,
Joseph is the son of David, and the son of Abraham, however, Mary was a VIRGIN. And Joseph didn't touch her, so, how can you say that Jesus was the son of David and the son of Abraham (Matthew 1:1) when he is not the son of Joseph? It was only Mary that took part, and who the heck is Mary?

Yeah, just have faith, believe everything. The bible is the truth. The truth my arse. Mary can be a Chinese as far as anyone is concerned. And Jesus was Chinese. Did they draw Mary in the bible? Was she blonde, red head, brunette or dark hair. She could be BALD and no one would notice!

Is there anything that make sense at all in the bible?

John 3:16 proving Christianity from 4 points of view and more

I think I have proven about Christianity. I can sense that Christianity is not quite right when I receive the information. This is not only information from people, but also from the bible itself. Because I can sense them right when I receive the information, imagine how annoying when people keep repeating again and again the same flawed information, and nobody cares. This is one of the very obvious reasons why I left Christianity.

Here is one very annoying statement:
That Jesus, the only Son of God, died on the cross to save us all from our sins.

Problems:
1. Why is Jesus the only Son of God, there are millions of solar systems in the universe, why only earth? If Jesus only existed in our world, what happened to the millions of solar systems in the universe? They are not going to be saved? And they will all go to hell?

2. Why is it the Son of God needed to be sacrificed? Why not the Son of the Devil, being sacrificed? If the Devil dies, there would be no temptations in the world, and people would have less sin. Why does Jesus have to die? And isn't there supposed to be thousands of ways to save humanity, instead of letting the Son of God, die. It is like saying, God has done a mistake, and to pay for it, God has to give his Son to die. It is also saying, God is having no other idea but to let his Only Son die.

3. Jesus did die, and never return to earth, obviously, but he did go to heaven to be on the right side of God. What is the point in that? Jesus didn't do enough time on earth, only 3 years of ministry, and Jesus didn't answer enough questions such as hell and divorce, why did he spend his time in heaven, which there is nothing to be done, and he left the world unfinished/undone? It seems the priority is handled badly and leaving such a mess, which is not appropriate especially for the Son of God.

4. If by Jesus dying on the cross will bring us from hell to heaven, what happened to millions of people who died, before Jesus died on the cross? Christians say that the only way to the Father would be through Jesus, and no other way. There was no Jesus then, so before Jesus' time do they all go to hell? And, millions of people didn't know about Jesus, and not many believed in Christianity even now, so are you saying that because there are only 2 billion Christians in the world out of 6 billion people, 4 billion people are going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus? And so now you ask, is Jesus God or the Devil? I don't think Devil is even that stupid.

I know that Australians are very busy people and so unable to answer my questions. And even if they have the time, they may not be able answer them either.

Saying that, by accepting it by faith is not going to work for me either. You all know how stuffed up it is.

And for those who have the time and have the answer, please do answer, and I don't mind if you send the answer to all of the recipients because I can take it if it is my mistake, but you, Christians, among all people, should be able to take your mistakes as well.

And that's the most popular verse in the bible. And the most frequently mentioned by Christians as well.

The full verse:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I can say more:
To those who are insensitive, you may not see it, BUT:
If God so loved the world, why didn't he do it right the first time, instead, have to patch it with his own Son (and not the Devil), and why those who believe in him didn't have everlasting life in the first place, it had to wait until 0 AD, that God finally come to his senses, "u huh, i think i have a good idea now and am going to do it this way." it's a bit too late for God isn't it? I can be much faster, and if future computer was used it might even have broken down after that too long of time. And it concerns humongous number of people before Jesus died on the cross.

To be frank, I can be a better God than Christian's God. When I did my Undergraduate course, I mostly build things right the first time.

Thank you for your attention and consideration.

Corinthians 6:14 says don't be yoked with non believers

the bible say: don't be yoked with non-believer...

it has a lot of problems there...

first, what if it is your brother/sister who have different believes? you are
going to be separated from your brother/sister?

second, you won't have problems like this if your idea is the genuine article... if your idea is the genuine article, it will be flawless and nothing can bring it down or find the false within christianity, however, the fact remains otherwise...

third, i don't think buddhist said any bad things about other religions like this, only christians have many problems and worried their disciples taken away, easily too...

fourth, i can tell you christians really do have a lot of problems...